Tell us about the year and age you first
got into the underground!??.
Okay, I first got into metal around 1982, when I was about 10 years old with
bands like Iron Maiden and bands of that nature that were really big at the
time. Then every year I was into it (metal) I wanted more and more extreme
stuff. I first heard Venom in ’84, and I first got Venom in ’85 with
“Welcome To Hell” and that sent me on my journey to the underground.
What were the first demo/zines/bands you
originally got into???.
The first ‘zine I ever saw or read was called Unholy Book and I think it was
from Texas, I’m not sure but I bought it in a local record store here and
loved it. That inspired me all the way up to until today, it still inspires
me. Metal Forces, was always big back when that was more of a ‘zine then a
magazine, it was always big on my list. Morbid…Morbid magazine from Norway
and Sweden, when he (the editor) moved to Sweden. Umm…early demos,
Dreamdeath - “More Graveyard Delving” (demo ’86), was a real big one that
inspired me to get more into the underground with tape trading, a lot of
Pittsburg bands like Dreamdeath, Bird Of Prey, early Necropolis…uh…
What was the first band you wrote!??.
That would be Pedophile in Arizona…it’s kind of a funny story, cause I wrote
away for Morbid mag from Norway. I was living in Mesa, Arizona and (when) I
got Morbid mag, I read about Pedophile, who lived 2 streets over and I wrote
them through a Norwegian magazine (There in lies one of the true beauties of
the underground scene! -Dale). That was the first band, I ever wrote.
When did you first begin tape trading???.
I started tape trading with my friends in 1986. When I got my first dual
deck stereo in 1986. I moved to Arizona (From Pennsylvania), I met lots of
people who were into tape trading and the scene down there. So, I really
expanded when I moved down there in 1987. I started building a list.
Okay…without getting too deep into your
record label or your mag yet. Do you feel your tape trading suffers, due to
restraints on your time, produced by your other activities!??.
Oh yeah!. Good question, I really do. I’m afraid, (anymore) I only have a
couple of tape traders and your one of them (Yes, I am I count myself lucky
Keith’s list fucking rocks! -Dale). You know for yourself how long it takes
me to get tapes back to people. But I always apologize to ‘em and always try
to send neat stuff when I can. But yeah it does suffer.
When and how did you get the idea for
Eternal Darkness mag!??.
Okay, I was reading a ‘zine from…I was really into ‘zines in the like the
mid to late ‘80’s. I was reading a ‘zine from New Jersey called Hammerhead
and said to myself “hey I could do this”, and sure enough a couple of months
later I had one starting to develop and about a year later in 1989, I put
out my first issue. But, Hammerhead ‘zine is why Eternal Darkness exists
Cool…some of your favorite all time
fanzines, past and present???.
Old ones would definitely be Unholy Book, Morbid, the old Wild Rag! Before
it turned into a newsletter I really loved the old Wild Rag!. And uh new
ones I really like are Heresy from Australia, I like Visionary’s Dream form
New Jersey a lot, The Sepulchral Voice R.I.P. Uh the ‘zines that look
underground but are well written, is what means a lot to me. The writing and
the underground look to it.
Preach on brother Dempe!!…we share that
Yeah Canadian Assault to of course!.
Ah ah ah…How did your first issue turn out
and how many copies were printed???.
The first issue was rough, it was the stapled in the corners(type thing), it
was done on a really old type writer(gasp…type writer, what’s that!? Ha ha
-Dale), my first 3 issues were done on this horrible old type writer. They
were put together neatly at least, I put a lot of time into them, it(issue
one) sold like only a hundred copies.
Is that how many you printed???.
That is how many I printed. It is sold out, I only printed a hundred copies.
What bands were in your first issue???.
There was 6 bands interviewed, there was Nocturnus, Human Remains from
Phoenix, Black Ritual from Pennsylvania, Arcane from Texas, Hellwitch from
Florida and one other I can’t remember right now.
Can you explain the long history of Eternal
Darkness mag and the old school kings Order From Chaos!??.
Oh sure, I wrote to Chuck(Keller) to get a “Crushed Infamy” demo in 1989. He
sent one to get reviewed in issue two of Eternal Darkness, I reviewed it and
sent the issue to him. He called me up and said it was the first magazine to
compare Order From Chaos to the bands they actually wanted to be compared
to. Like (bands such as) Bathory, Terrorizer, Carcass, stuff like that which
we were really big fans of at the time and still are. Our relationship just
blossomed from there, we started tape trading. Then that summer Chuck, the
summer of 1990 he said that he had to come down and visit his Aunt in
Tuscon(Arizona), I was living in Phoenix at the time. So I said why don’t
you stay with me for the week that he was down and he did. It became a
yearly thing, he would come down and visit me and I became really good with
them(the band) and eventually released a seven inch of theirs. And umm…I was
friends with all of them until they broke up, but I’m still really good
friends with Chuck and Mike today.
How about a few words on your series of
I started the compilation tapes, that was back in ‘90/91. For mags to put
out a simple compilation tape with some of the bands from the issue in it,
So I did that, it’s not such a big thing today like it was back then. I just
wanted to show people reading my magazine what the bands I was raving about
in the pages sounded like.
That’s kinda cool, cause people can hear a
sample of what the bands sound like and know for sure if they will want to
Yeah exactly, nowadays people put out CD’s with their magazines,
unfortunately I don’t have the money to do that. I’m still putting out
compilation tapes, there looking a little better than they used to. I’m
getting them done more professionally, there will be a new compilation tape
with this issue too.
Oh really!?…I thought you had ended the
compilation tapes!?, or that was just the Darkness comp series you ended!??.
Yes the long series, so to speak the four compilation tapes, that were in
that (were ended). This one will only be like 30-40 minutes just some of the
best bands of the issue and it will only go out with the issue, it won’t be
That’s a good idea, I might even steal that
one from you ha ha.
Heh heh go for it man!.
Did you find the comp tapes were a lot of
fun to do and do you still sell them!??.
Oh yeah, they are all for sale, they all cost 3 US/4 elsewhere (postage
included), except for the last one, from ’96 it is five dollars, cause it’s
done more professionally…
Could you list them for anyone that wants
Sure, the first one is called “In The Darkness’ Cold Clutches” from 1991(90
minutes), 2nd is “Darkness Reborn” from 1992(90 minutes), 3rd
“A Dark Time” from 1993(80 minutes), then “Let’s Fight In The Dark” from
When did you come up with the idea and
concept of forming your record label???.
It kind of started with the compilation tapes, I had hoped it would always
blossom into more. But I never had the money but uh…I originally went into
it with a friend to do a seven inch in 1994. It was to be(either) Order From
Chaos or Nepenthe, but Nepenthe weren’t ready to release anything at the
time. So I got O.F.C. to give me some live tracks they recorded in the
studio and that became the “Live: Into Distant Fears” 7”. My friend kinda
bailed on me, so it just became Eternal Darkness Records, just from doing
that seven inch. So far, I’ve released 3 seven inches and a couple
Kay hold on, your going right into my next
question…perfect. Could you list all of the products you have put out and
describe each one!??.
Sure, 1994 I have the Order From Chaos live 7”, it had 2 songs for 16
minutes. Live O.F.C., that was almost unheard of and it is available(as
bonus tracks) on the “Plateau Of Invincibility” CD. But, it’s better on
vinyl cause vinyl rules!(He only speaks the truth! -Dale). It’s available on
red and black vinyl and Order From Chaos play the best black/death war
metal(ever) in the scene!. The next release wasn’t until early 1996, I
released the Vulpecula(band made up Chuck Keller formerly of O.F.C. and
Chris from Nepenthe - Dale) demo ’95, but it wasn’t really an extended
release. That was put out to just tide(us) over until the, until I put out
the Vulpecula 7” ep out, but the demo is still available for anyone who just
wants a cassette of it. But, the seven inch “Phoenix Of Creation”
which is the same as the demo and is available on blue or black vinyl, they
noclucent black metal in the vein of ancient Samael or Mortem from Norway,
very cult sound, very underground sound. It’s the first recording the band
ever did in the studio together. Then spring of ‘’96 I released…(pause)…I
re-released the Nepenthe - “Ligea” 7”. Which was supposed to be released on
a European label, which I will not mention here, that kinda bailed on them.
So I released it, it is 4 US/5 dollars every place else. They really, really
brutal death metal in the vein of like Treblinka(who later became Tiamat
-Dale) or Nihilist(who changed there name and formed Entombed -Dale) a very
Okay, your working on a split 7” ep release
Tell us about that and what bands are
Well, my next release which isn’t out yet, it will be out in early
February(1998, this interview was conducted on Jan.13th/98
-Dale). It is a band called Aries Kingdom which is Chuck and Mike formerly
of O.F.C., their first project since Order From Chaos together(the release
will be in the form of a cassette ep -Dale). Then the split 7” is gonna be
Aries Kingdom and R.U. Dead?, which is a band from Germany that is
Fleshcrawl(the Black Mark records band) members and ex-members of a band
called Poison. It will be a Eternal Darkness and Majestic Union Records from
Germany(co releasing it).
Now when you say ex-Poison members, this
maybe interesting to the readers, is that the old speed metal band from
Yeah, exactly there are one or two members(in R.U. Dead?) that are from the
old speed metal band. R.U. Dead? are a very intense band one of my personal
favorites. It is going to be great to do a seven inch with them.
When pressing a 7”, how many do you usually
Usually 500 at a time I usually see how it sells then do a pressing in
another color five, six or seven hundred that is usually as far as it goes.
Can you give a rough release date and price
on the new issue # 11!??.
The new issue will be out by the end of January for certain, cause I’m done
typing it. I’m just laying it out now. It costs $6 dollars US and comes with
a sampler tape with Cromlech, Tyrant from Australia, Armageddon, Holocaust
and a lot of good bands. The issue is gargantuan, well over 80 pages(fuck he
is not joking either, that number could well inflate past the 100 page mark
when all is said and done! -Dale).
Please give us a list of all the bands
Okay let me get the list…(pause)…This issue has lots of different kinda
bands, like lots of power metal, lots of black metal and death metal. Let’s
see, we have interviews with: Samael, Cradle Of Filth, Angra, Steel Prophet,
Summon from the United States, Pentacle, Scepter(see this interview
elsewhere for a preview of the killer work Keith does! -Dale), Witch-Hunt,
Misery, Dew Scented, Ablaze My Sorrow, Disciple, Mournful Congregation,
Martire, Star Gazer, War Hammer, Conqueror. It’s a big issue, I hope
everyone enjoys it, I have big hopes for this issue!.
On what basis do you choose bands for a
releases, on your E.D. records???.
Well, if I have the money that’s the first thing!. I like to think ahead and
not to overestimate my budget. But usually I have to know the band or be
friends with them and know them as people as well. Of course love their
music!, I have to be totally dedicated to their music to want to put out a
7” or a ep of their music.
So you would never release anything you
weren’t heavily into but you know will sell!??.
No! Never! On thing you can say about Eternal Darkness bands is that they
don’t sell very well. That’s one thing I can say about myself, I don’t sign
bands on the basis of whether they sell, so I have to like ‘em.
That is the way it should be!!.
Yeah! I just sign stuff that I would like to have in my collection.
Are there any bands at the moment, you have
your eye on you would like to eventually release something from!??.
Well, Christian of Inverted from Sweden, and I have talked about releasing a
7” but I think that is probably way in the offing now. That’s about it,
there’s a couple of bands I would have loved to have done something with
like Forest Of Proud Slavs from Poland, or Darkened from the US I liked a
Has there been many setbacks financially
for the mag & label???.
Yeah no money! Ha ha it’s always been a big problem. I don’t have like a
really good job, I um always seem to be kinda in between jobs or in a job
that doesn’t pay too well. As I’m still in college, I’m a bio/chem major and
I’m trying to bachelors in that so I can work in criminalistics.
Yeah nothing fancy, but I always get it out(mag/label releases), I sell
enough to keep it afloat. So it’s a lot of integrity, a lot of heart.
Have you ever had any printers/pressers
give you grief with printing explicit materials!??.
When I have gotten the mag done professionally over the years. I’ve always
had problems with printers objecting to the material or going against what I
say or what I want so I just choose to do it myself. I’ve had stuff like
printers loosing originals and just outrageous stuff like that, I just can’t
How does your distribution go?, a lot of
trading with with other distros and labels???.
I just trade with a lot of labels and distributions yeah, the first couple
months when it(a release) first comes out I do a lot of trading. My mail
bill(during this period) is really expensive. Yeah I trade with a lot of
labels like Moribund and Merciless and a lot of good labels like that. I
sell a lot through my catalogue, that’s how I sell most if it after
the(initial) big push for it.
Is your label specific to one genre or is
it open to anything under the mighty banner of metal!??.
It’s open to anything under the banner of metal, so far it’s just been
black/death pretty much. I love all forms of metal from doom to heavy metal
to black and death metal. All over the place I love all forms of metal.
Now onto my fave question in this mag. What
is your opinion on the powerful Venom and their glorious “Black Metal”
Venom’s “Black Metal” ahhh yes!! I love the album, it is truly a classic.
It’s not my favorite Venom album, but it’s definitely one of my favorite
albums of all time. My favorite Venom album is “Welcome To Hell”, “Black
Metal” is second and is probably in my top 10 of all time. Truly great and a
landmark release for the band. Anybody who say they are sloppy hard rock or
whatever they are saying this week, can just go jump off of a bridge cause
Venom, they are the kings of the scene and always will be! (couldn’t have
said it better myself, hell yeah!! -Dale).
Okay Keith hold on bro this is a long
winded one. I hear a lot of people, who have been around for a long time in
the scene, who have been in the scene a long time and are very cynical
towards it, saying it is not like the old days. I mean I see there point to
some extent but I think they are just being ignorant to some of the good
things and great bands scattered throughout the underground scene these
days. Yourself being an old timer of the scene, I would like to get your
opinion on this and how you see the scene as it stands today!??.
Okay…that’s very good, I wanted to talk about this!. I think the scene today
is good as musically as it used to be…uh…there are some bands today that I
just adore, just as I adored Venom and Exciter, Demon years ago. But, the
only difference I can see today is there’s a lotmore cynicism and eliteism
(yes very true, metal is a brotherhood, support each other and we will
prosper! -Dale), like especially in the black metal scene, there’s attitudes
galore. With the bands I’ve encountered in live situations or on the phone
have just been… (pause)…some have just been total assholes. I see a lot of
fans like this too. But aside from that I think the scene has the potential
to be just as good as it used to be. I like what’s coming out today(on the
Have you ever had any hate mail, from the
things you have said in your mag!??.
Someone just asked me this the other day, it was my girlfriend, she asked if
I had ever received any nasty letters. I don’t think I have. I’ve received a
couple nasty letters from churches that have gotten my address. Yeah they
sent me literature and said quit the mag and change your ways or you’ll be
cursed for the rest of your life blah, blah, blah, I’m not kidding either. I
wrote the address on their pamphlets and told them off.
What do you know about Canada as a
I know it’s a country with some great bands heh heh…
Hah you don’t get off that easy man. I want
to hear what you know about Canada as a nation???.
I’ve been to Niagra Falls, the Canadian side and it’s pretty much like
America I guess, but things cost a little bit more(tell me about it!!
-Dale). I would like to live in Canada some day, it sounds like a really
nice place, I don’t know much about Canada just what I see on t.v..
What are some of the things you see on
Umm…like Northern Expsoure.
That’s an American show!.
Yeah ha ha. Well just like it’s nice and cold up there and I sound like a
idiot now! ha ha.
Ah ah ah you did not too bad man, Americans
are notoriously uninformed about Canada, on the other hand the average
Canadian is very knowledgeable about America. Go ahead and grill me on all
the states and their capitals ha ha. Okay back to the music, what do you
think of the Canadian scene past and present???.
I love the Canadian scene!. They always impressed me, Canadian bands over
the years like Slaughter or Razor or Voivod, Blasphemy. Today, Conqueror,
Sacramentary Abolishment, Tenebrae these bands impress me. I always thought
that god gave Canadians tow doeses of heaviness(Ain’t that the truth, ever
scene the gut on me!! Ha ha -Dale), cause there are always good bands from
Canada. Quo Vadis I like, lotta good bands up there.
Do you think there is quote a ‘Canadian
I haven’t noticed one, but back in the ‘80’s bands like Obliveon,
Soothsayer, Yog Sothoth…
You go….you do know your Canadian metal!.
Ohh I used to love those bands, I still do old Soothsayer that “To Be A Real
Terrorist” demo is one of my favorites.
How did you first come up with your
Eternal Darkness!? Well, I got it out of some old Destruction lyrics, off of
“Infernal Overkill”. I always found the words Eternal Darkness fit together,
I thought it was a good title so I used it.
How do my readers get your catalogue!??.
Okay, all you gotta do in the United States it’s free and anywhere else it’s
a dollar or I.R.C.(take my advise it is packed with cool shit and Keith
sells things at very cheap prices -Dale). Whatever you can afford any kind
of return postage is great.
Time to wrap…how about some final comments to
the Canadian Assault readers!
I wanna thank you, Dale. Also to tell your readers to support Canadian
Assault and Eternal Darkness. Stay true to yourself and the music. Fuck the
Write Keith at: P.O BOX 268
CORAOPOLIS , PA 15108 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
HAILS TO YOU KEITH! YOU ARE A TRUE METAL BROTHER AND ONE OF THE GREATEST
COMPONENTS OF THE UNDERGROUNDS HISTORY!!!.